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elf ([personal profile] elf) wrote2011-09-17 12:29 pm
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No pocket paperback, no throwaway edition

[personal profile] psybelle tipped me off to [livejournal.com profile] seanan_mcguire's recent post called Across the digital divide, about ebooks and poverty. I have so many thoughts on this I can barely coordinate my thoughts to type. Started to make a comment there; it got long. In a list-y jumble, because really the thoughts are rolling so fast I can barely keep up

1) Ebook readers are getting cheaper by the week. Yay. Computer and internet *access*, if not presence in the home, are available for even very impoverished families in all but the most rural areas. Yay.

2) Neither of these facts disproves the basic points, because it's like saying "even very, very poor families can have cars." Yes, many of them do, and almost all of them *could*--if this, and that, and a bit of luck, and someone available who knows the tech, and so on. The ones who don't, are still squeezed out of a lot of resources--and the number of resources only available through these sources is growing.

3) Large sections of the print-books industry are dying. It's not going to go away, but it's going to change *drastically*, because it's founded on a lot of premises that aren't working anymore. The Publisher --> Distributor --> Bookstore --> Customer chain has been broken, and replacing it with Publisher --> Online store --> Customer /or/ Publisher --> Customer means reworking the whole process from the ground up. (And guess who gets screwed over in the reworking?)

4) Mass-market paperbacks are going to be the first casualty. They're low-profit, high-returns items, and leisure novels is what ereaders do best. (They *suck* at academic. And reference. And instruction manuals. And poetry. I could go on; ereaders are built for novels and so far, manufacturers have resisted requests to make them work well for anything else.) If mainstream publishers realize that they really *can* make money on $6 ebooks (like Baen's been doing for the last decade) instead of $13 ebooks, the market will explode, and they'll start chopping mmpb's out of their business plans.

5) The "big 6" Agency Publishers really, REALLY want to kill the used book market. (Mainly because they're idiots; they've never been able to get counts for how much used books cause them new sales, so they assume those don't matter to them.) They want to push the idea of "1 purchase = 1 reader." Possibly, they grumble, "1 purchase = 1 family may read this." The lack of a legit used ebook market means that poor kids who have access to the technology, at home or school, still don't have access to remotely recent ebooks.

6) I buy ebooks. I'm now in a position to spend substantial money (well, compared to my youth) on books, yay. I buy them in digital format because (1) can barely tolerate reading paper anymore and (2) house has no space for new books. I buy ebooks for my daughter, as many as she can stand to read. (She's not yet decided that books are better than fanfic. She may never decide that.) I can't give away the books when I'm done; this is a problem. The tech issue of "if you could give it away to one person, you could post it for ten thousand people and then the author gets no money" does not fix the problem that I can't give my daughter's best friend a book I think she'd like, a book that might spark a longtime interest in reading, insert rant about the glories of used books here.

I can't even *buy* the book for her; ebooks don't work that way. SHE can't buy the book... you have to be 18 to sign up for ebook sales sites. The main problem with ebooks isn't "poor kids don't have access to them" (although that is a problem and needs facing) but "kids, period, don't have access to them unless their parents either give them access to a credit card/paypal account, or hand-pick and feed them each title." There is no "here's $20 for your birthday; go buy yourself some ebooks" option.

7) Why has nobody made a solar-powered ebook reader yet? Solar-powered calculators are cheap & plentiful; solar-powered book-readers shouldn't be a big jump. (Answer: because the marketing departments are thinking of them as "high-tech toys" not "school accessories;" nobody's trying to make ebook readers for grade-school kids. They're trying to make bizarre expensive tablet-things for schoolkids.)

... Insert more mini-rants here. I'm sure I'll think of them eventually. This is a tangled & complicated topic.

X) One of the issues blocking poor kids' access to books is copyright, and the continued extension thereof. (I really, REALLY want copyright law rolled back, and for Congress to declare "all copyrighted works are now reverted to the length of protection they were originally published under"--throw everything published, sung or put on a screen in the US before 1964 into the public domain, and find out how much we can make available for use, sale, charity, translation, sequels... the mind boggles.) Remove the copyright restrictions, and it'd be easy to put together a free, downloadable digital library of something other than "dusty classics."

(Yes, some of those "dusty classics" are glorious and modern kids love them. However, there's a whole lot of DWEM bias in recommended reading lists, and a whole lot of unconscious sexism & racism in most of those books; making a library that avoids the worst of those issues cuts down the selection a great deal. Also, it means not reading anything involving modern technology--you know, the stuff kids will be working with their whole lives.)

Changing copyright in ways that allowed easy digital versions wouldn't bring them to the absolute poorest kids, but *nothing* is going to bring back the huge numbers of used book stores and yard sales packed with 4-per-dollar paperbacks.

We need ebook readers to get cheaper (it's happening; yay) so that, like a record-player or cassette deck, they're available even for very poor families--and we need enough cheap, good content for them that those families have a reason to come up with the one-time expense of the device.
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[personal profile] justshai 2011-09-17 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I know part of the Nook Color's advertising shtick was directed toward parents. I haven't fully explored it, as I am still in the "planning" stage of parenthood, so I cannot tell you much more than that.
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[personal profile] megpie71 2011-09-18 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
Another point about digital publishing - and something which is very relevant to me, living as I do outside the USA: digitally published content, paradoxically, isn't as accessible to folks living outside certain very clear market zones (USA, United Kingdom) as actual print books. So there's another digital divide.

This is one of the things which stops me buying more ebooks and digital content, as an Australian. It is extremely frustrating to get all the way through a purchase process for some digital content (be it an ebook, or a song, or a game, or a movie), handing over information and details and credentials, and then at the final hurdle, just before the company is going to let me download the flippin' thing (so, after I've given them my credit card details, even) to be told "oh, sorry, you're not in the right country (or at least, your IP address isn't in the correct range), so we can't legally sell this to you". It's one of the things which keeps me away from digital content, and one of the things which has stopped and still stops me from purchasing an ebook reader. For me, it's a lot easier to just order the paper version and find some space on the shelves when it arrives - at least that way I know I'm getting the actual book.

(Purely on a consumer affairs note, might I point out that filtering by IP could work just as well on the actual "items for sale" list stage of the purchase as it could on the "is the consumer legally allowed to purchase this?" stage - thus preventing the various big online sellers (yes, Spamazon, I am looking at you) from engaging in what could technically be considered fraudulent representation toward offshore consumers.)

I'm starting to see more and more ebook readers being used by folks on the trains these days, but even so, I'm not sure what kind of content is readily available for Australian readers.
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[personal profile] owlmoose 2011-09-18 08:01 am (UTC)(link)
(Here via link chains.)

The tech issue of "if you could give it away to one person, you could post it for ten thousand people and then the author gets no money" does not fix the problem that I can't give my daughter's best friend a book I think she'd like, a book that might spark a longtime interest in reading, insert rant about the glories of used books here.

Yes yes yes this! How does the publishing industry think new readers are created, anyway? By not allowing even limited lending of ebooks, they are really shooting themselves in the foot in terms of future markets.

Great collection of rants overall; thank you for sharing them.
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[personal profile] jumpuphigh 2011-09-18 11:18 am (UTC)(link)
I just checked out my library's ebook selection for kids and teens. I can't get actual numbers because Overdrive sucks and there is no way for me to separate the ebook teen collection from the WMA teen collection. *rolls eyes* The combined totals are pretty large and I know that my library is working quite diligently to grow their e-library. Are there libraries that won't allow kids their own library cards? I've always had my own.

ETA: Since the argument in my own head about kids using libraries is kids in rural areas not having access, I just went to the library website for the area I went to high school which is a pretty depressed area of the US and extremely rural. They had access to ebooks - certainly not as many as I have here but considering the size of the library itself, a reasonable start. I had my own library card there. I don't know that I even had to get parental permission for it.
Edited (More thoughts) 2011-09-18 11:25 (UTC)
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[personal profile] jumpuphigh 2011-09-18 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't even consider a ToS that would prevent teens from accessing the site. *facepalm* My Overdrive site doesn't even have the ToS anywhere where I can find it so I've emailed my local library requesting a copy of it.

ADE sucks in many, many ways. Do you know off the top of your head if Calibre limits usage due to age? It has a reader. ETA2: Of course you still have to have ADE on the computer to get the library files unless you only pull the mobi files./ETA2

SF Public library has 5700 Overdrive ebooks...

eeek Our numbers are higher than that. (Fiction = 17,325 & Nonfiction = 10,831) They've switched to mostly epub it looks like in the past year or so but that includes some mobi and too many pdfs. ETA: I'm not going to count the audiobooks, music or videos available on Overdrive. There is just no easy way to count things on our site without opening multiple pages with a calculator at hand. /ETA
Edited 2011-09-18 16:24 (UTC)
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[personal profile] jumpuphigh 2011-09-18 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
mobipocket is a French site so that may be the difference there.

I wonder what the ToS looks like on the typical VISA gift card. Do you know?
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[personal profile] anomilygrace 2011-09-19 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
On the plus side, Overdrive is currently changing the way formats work - any book a library purchases will be available in all formats the publisher offers. So all those books in epub will also be available in pdf, mobi, and by the end of the year, Kindle.

Which is a really nice change.
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[personal profile] jumpuphigh 2011-09-18 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Adobe sure does its damdest to hide that little gem, doesn't it? I just spent close to a half an hour trying to find the age restriction statement.

I am now so tempted to go to my library's next "Yay ebooks!" demonstration just to ask why they bother having ebooks for kids in epub format.

Mobipocket, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have any such restrictions.
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[personal profile] pir8fancier 2011-09-28 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
The "big 6" Agency Publishers really, REALLY want to kill the used book market.

You know, as an author who does not get a cent for any book that is recycled through the system, it would be nice if we could also get a cut of that resale. We don't. And what happens is that the minute your book appears in print, you have now competition from the resale market. And since the market is now, literally, global, you're totally fucked. Within a month of my books appearing in the market place--even being sold at dramatic discount--there were copies of my books being sold for less than a dollar on amazon, since everyone uses their marketplace. Because the used booksellers make their money on the shipping and handling. They don't care what the fuck the book sells for. So, yes, this model doesn't just hurt the publishers. It's hurts and actually KILLS the author. How many books can you recycle through this system? With Internet access a fucking ton of books.

During that entire Joe Scalzi's blog/Macmillan/amazon smackdown I was shocked at how prevalent was the demand for really cheap books. And when authors chimed in that, um, I'm not making any money, the response was, essentially, tough shit. So when you're talking about super cheap books, whether it's through a used bookseller or a market that now expects its e-books to be dirt cheap, remember that there is an author who is on the other side of that equation who finds herself in the position where she literally cannot afford to write books. If I tell myself that I write purely because I love to write, that's certainly one option. But has become just that. A labor of love. Most authors I know are in this position. I do not expect to make any money at. And when I mean money, I mean like $1000. I don't mean five figures. Readers want either free content or super cheap content. Authors never seem to appear in this debate. Ever.
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[personal profile] bryant 2011-10-01 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
For some reason, you can gift music and video on the iTunes Store, but not books. (I know there are other issues with Apple, I'm just surveying the field.)